I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
that I can have my students fly on the simulator.

I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Any type of IAP is
welcome as long as it makes the pilot work a little bit.

Tia

Richard Kowalski

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> I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
> that I can have my students fly on the simulator.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Any type of IAP is
> welcome as long as it makes the pilot work a little bit.
>
> Tia
>
> Richard Kowalski
>

I like the LOC-8 at DXR. There's nothing particularly magic about it,
but it has a few twists which throw people who havn't properly briefed
the approach, and thus makes for a good lesson.

The missed hold is a VOR-VOR fix. If you havn't got things set up
before you start the approach, you've got a lot of radio work to get the
fix dialed in before you get there.

Also, the airport's rotating beacon is up on a hilltop about a half mile
from the runway. If you see the beacon and get fooled into just flying
straight for that visually, you can get led astray.

Lastly, the LOC course is not quite aligned with the runway centerline
(it's off by a few degrees). This can lead to a little confusion.

wrote:
> I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
> that I can have my students fly on the simulator.


LOC/DME BC RWY 21 Homer, AK (HOM/PAHO)

DME arc off of a VOR onto a DME back course, followed by a miss and hold
on the BC extension. LOTS of opportunity to screw up ;)

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

> I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
> that I can have my students fly on the simulator.

NDB-A at EVY (Middletown, DE): final approach course is towards an NDB beyond
the field (the LOM for the ILS at a different airport)

NDB 17 at THV (York, PA): another approach where the FAF is an intersection on
a bearing to the NDB

LOC BC 24 at ABE (Allentown, PA): nice hold at an intersection on the back
course

VOR/DME 15 at MTN (Baltimore / Martin State): final approach course is a DME
arc tangent to the runway

Barry

Ok, what am I missing. I looked up the approach plate (on AOPA), and do
not see how JABER is defined. Is it a radial off the LRP VOR?

Looks like a good practice approach if you use JABER for the IAF.

Dan

Barry wrote:
>>I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
>>that I can have my students fly on the simulator.
>
>
> NDB-A at EVY (Middletown, DE): final approach course is towards an NDB beyond
> the field (the LOM for the ILS at a different airport)
>
> NDB 17 at THV (York, PA): another approach where the FAF is an intersection on
> a bearing to the NDB
>
> LOC BC 24 at ABE (Allentown, PA): nice hold at an intersection on the back
> course
>
> VOR/DME 15 at MTN (Baltimore / Martin State): final approach course is a DME
> arc tangent to the runway
>
> Barry
>
>
>


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"Barry" > wrote:

> NDB 17 at THV (York, PA): another approach where
> the FAF is an intersection on a bearing to the NDB

Hmmm. That brings back memories....

I'm based at THV, so I did a few of those during my instrument training.

GPS salesmen love it, I'm sure.......

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Mike Granby, PP-ASEL,IA
Warrior N44578
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> > NDB 17 at THV (York, PA): another approach where the FAF is an
> > intersection on a bearing to the NDB

> Ok, what am I missing. I looked up the approach plate (on AOPA), and do
> not see how JABER is defined. Is it a radial off the LRP VOR?

JABER is 20 DME from HAR, or a Radar fix called by ATC. I think that it also
used to be defined via a radial from LRP.

> Looks like a good practice approach if you use JABER for the IAF.

Right, and to get to JABER, ATC gives you direct EUD, and you track outbound
on the feeder route.

Another good approach is the ILS 10 at MIV (Millville, NJ) via the RNB NDB.

Barry

Shot that one on my long cross country. (Actually it was a localizer
approach as the GS was out of service.)

Dan

Barry wrote:
>
> Another good approach is the ILS 10 at MIV (Millville, NJ) via the RNB NDB.
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>


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I always like the VOR or GPS RWY1 3R or L at KJFK.
>

Two I like are:

KRYN NDB/DME 0r GP RWY 6R
http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/SouthWest/RYN_nd_gr6R.pdf

DME arc onto an NDB approach.
Go missed, and you have to climb in an NDB hold over the airport, then
back for

KRYN ILS RWY 6R
http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/SouthWest/RYN_ir6R.pdf

for an offset hold procedure turn.

Tim Auckland.

> I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States

Try MJX's ILS 6 approach. Try and fly the full proceedure (no vectors). It
has an interesting bend at the proceedure turn that is sure to disorient
some...of course I have never had a problem. (yeah right)...

Kobra


> that I can have my students fly on the simulator.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Any type of IAP is
> welcome as long as it makes the pilot work a little bit.
>
> Tia
>
> Richard Kowalski
>

wrote
> I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
> that I can have my students fly on the simulator.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Any type of IAP is
> welcome as long as it makes the pilot work a little bit.

If your simulator supports circling, try the NDB-F at EYQ. Configure
the winds to strongly favor rwy 9, set the vis to the minimum 1 mile,
and note the circling restriction. Fun.

Michael

In article >,
(Michael) wrote:

> wrote
> > I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
> > that I can have my students fly on the simulator.
> >
> > I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Any type of IAP is
> > welcome as long as it makes the pilot work a little bit.
>
> If your simulator supports circling, try the NDB-F at EYQ. Configure
> the winds to strongly favor rwy 9, set the vis to the minimum 1 mile,
> and note the circling restriction. Fun.
>
> Michael

Wow. I've never seen an airport with 12 departures and only 2
approaches. Must be a heck of a place if so many more people want to
get out of there then get there in the first place :-)

Anyone able to get approach procedures for Greenland airports? I believe
there are some interesting ones there.


"Michael" > wrote in message
om...
> wrote
> > I'm looking for challenging instrument approaches in the United States
> > that I can have my students fly on the simulator.
> >
> > I'd be interested in hearing your suggestions. Any type of IAP is
> > welcome as long as it makes the pilot work a little bit.
>
> If your simulator supports circling, try the NDB-F at EYQ. Configure
> the winds to strongly favor rwy 9, set the vis to the minimum 1 mile,
> and note the circling restriction. Fun.
>
> Michael

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:02:07 -0500, Saryon
> wrote:

>There's always the ever-popular KASE VOR/DME or GPS-C......

Yep. Already have that one!

Richard

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:51:34 GMT, "Art" > wrote:

>
>I always like the VOR or GPS RWY1 3R or L at KJFK.
>>
>
If I understand this approach correctly, you can continue in if you
have the minimums AND the lead in lights are visible...

Am I correct, you DO NOT have to have the runway environment in sight,
just the Lead Ins?

Thx

Richard Kowalski

VOR/DME or GPS-C into ASE is fun. Dual VHF required and missed is to a
back-course. 7 degree GS is also fun for the un-initiated. The Roaring Fork
visual for this place looks like it would be a helluva ride coming in from
the South. "Radar Required - Mins 6000 and 10."

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/SouthWest/ASE_vd_gC.pdf



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